We compiled a list of the top patent firms, which are ranked based on the total number of U.S. utility patents that issued in 2015 where the patent firms were listed on the front of the utility patents. We have included only patent firms that have obtained at least 50 utility patents. We made an attempt to correct for typographical errors. We did not eliminate company legal departments from the list.
Rank | Law Firm Name | 2015 Utility Patents |
1 | OBLON MCCLELLAND MAIER & NEUSTADT | 6152 |
2 | SUGHRUE MION PLLC | 4460 |
3 | BIRCH STEWART KOLASCH & BIRCH LLP | 3592 |
4 | FISH & RICHARDSON PC | 3344 |
5 | KNOBBE MARTENS OLSON & BEAR LLP | 3196 |
6 | OLIFF PLC | 3093 |
7 | HARNESS DICKEY & PIERCE PLC | 3052 |
8 | CANTOR COLBURN LLP | 2889 |
9 | KILPATRICK TOWNSEND & STOCKTON LLP | 2483 |
10 | FOLEY & LARDNER LLP | 2433 |
11 | MCDERMOTT WILL & EMERY LLP | 2135 |
12 | NOVAK DRUCE CONNOLLY BOVE & QUIGG LLP | 2099 |
13 | FITZPATRICK CELLA HARPER & SCINTO | 1917 |
14 | NIXON & VANDERHYE PC | 1898 |
15 | SCHWEGMAN LUNDBERG & WOESSNER PA | 1889 |
16 | BRINKS GILSON & LIONE |
1782 |
17 | CANON USA INC IP DIVISION *** | 1610 |
18 | BUCHANAN INGERSOLL & ROONEY PC | 1513 |
19 | MORGAN LEWIS & BOCKIUS LLP | 1491 |
20 | BLAKELY SOKOLOFF TAYLOR & ZAFMAN | 1485 |
21 | MUNCY GEISSLER OLDS & LOWE PC | 1480 |
22 | FINNEGAN HENDERSON FARABOW GARRETT & DUNNER | 1472 |
23 | WENDEROTH LIND & PONACK LLP | 1438 |
24 | STAAS & HALSEY LLP | 1431 |
25 | BANNER & WITCOFF LTD | 1389 |
26 | SLATER & MATSIL LLP | 1364 |
27 | BAKER BOTTS LLP | 1263 |
28 | KENYON & KENYON LLP | 1224 |
29 | DENTONS LLP *** |
1199 |
30 | WESTERMAN HATTORI DANIELS & ADRIAN LLP | 1177 |
31 | PATTERSON & SHERIDAN LLP | 1160 |
32 | PERKINS COIE LLP | 1094 |
33 | JIANQ CHYUN IP OFFICE | 1088 |
34 | LERNER DAVID LITTENBERG & MENTLIK LLP | 1085 |
35 | SCULLT SCOTT MURPHY & PRESSER PC | 1073 |
36 | YOUNG & THOMPSON | 1065 |
37 | LOWE HAUPTMAN & HAM LLP | 1050 |
38 | GREENBLUM & BERNSTEIN PLC | 1046 |
39 | BAKER & HOSTETLER LLP | 1042 |
40 | BROOKS KUSHMAN PC | 1020 |
41 | DRINKER BIDDLE & REATH LLP | 1005 |
42 | LEYDIG VOIT & MAYER LTD | 973 |
43 | HAYNES & BOONE LLP | 962 |
44 | SEED IP LAW GROUP | 951 |
45 | MERCHANT & GOULD PC | 946 |
46 | MCDONNELL BOEHNEN HULBERT & BERGHOFF LLP | 933 |
47 | STERNE KESSLER & GOLDSTEIN & FOX PLLC | 906 |
48 | MINTZ LEVIN COHN FERRIS GLOVSKY & POPEO PC | 897 |
49 | GLOBAL IP SERVICES | 897 |
50 | MICHAEL BEST & FRIEDRICH LLP | 881 |
51 | LADAS & PARRY LLP | 869 |
52 | CHRISTIE PARKER & HALE LLP | 861 |
53 | KEATING & BENNETT LLP | 852 |
54 | MORRISON & FOERSTER LLP | 851 |
55 | RABIN & BERDO PC | 842 |
56 | VOLPE & KOENIG PC | 831 |
57 | MYERS BIGEL SIBLEY & SAJOVEC PA | 824 |
58 | FENWICK & WEST LLP | 818 |
59 | ALSTON & BIRD LLP | 816 |
60 | WOLF GREENFIELD & SACKS PC | 812 |
61 | PILLSBURY WINTHROP SHAW PITTMAN LLP | 807 |
62 | WORKMAN NYDEGGER | 797 |
63 | NIXON PEABODY LLP | 776 |
64 | CROWELL & MORING LLP | 773 |
65 | INGRASSIA FISHER & LORENZ PC | 772 |
66 | K & L GATES LLP | 767 |
67 | MEYERTONS HOOD KIVLIN KOWERT & GOETZEL PC | 764 |
68 | OSHA LIANG LLP | 748 |
69 | SHERIDAN ROSS PC | 736 |
70 | RENNER OTTO BOISSELLE & SKLAR LLP | 728 |
71 | ALLEMAN HALL MCCOY RUSSELL & TUTTLE LLP | 701 |
72 | ARENT FOX LLP | 699 |
73 | NSIP LAW | 697 |
74 | LOCKE & LORD LLP | 691 |
75 | FRISHAUF HOLTZ GOODMAN & CHICK PC | 688 |
76 | MCCLURE QUALEY & RODACK LLP | 675 |
77 | PEARNE & GORDON LLP | 674 |
78 | MCGINN IP LAW GROUP PLLC | 673 |
79 | MARSHALL GERSTEIN & BORUN LLP | 665 |
80 | LEE HONG DEGERMAN KANG & WAIMEY | 665 |
81 | FLETCHER YODER PC | 649 |
82 | CONLEY ROSE PC | 647 |
83 | BARNES & THORNBURG LLP | 637 |
84 | DORITY & MANNING PA | 636 |
85 | MILES & STOCKBRIDGE PC | 634 |
86 | AMIN TUROCY & WATSON LLP | 634 |
87 | STUDEBAKER & BRACKETT PC | 630 |
88 | LOWENSTEIN SANDLER LLP | 621 |
89 | SHUMAKER & SIEFFERT PA | 615 |
90 | DLA PIPER LLP US | 590 |
91 | BACON & THOMAS PLLC | 576 |
92 | FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS LLP | 570 |
93 | WEBB LAW FIRM | 570 |
94 | LEE & MORSE PC | 569 |
95 | RATNERPRESTIA | 568 |
96 | GREENBERG TRAURIG LLP | 564 |
97 | WPAT PC | 554 |
98 | RANKIN HILL & CLARK LLP | 543 |
99 | FAY SHARPE FAGAN MINNICH & MCKEE LLP | 543 |
100 | CARLSON GASKEY & OLDS | 538 |
101 | HAMRE SCHUMANN MUELLER & LARSON PC | 535 |
102 | MCKENNA LONG & ALDRIDGE LLP *** | 533 |
103 | DORSEY & WHITNEY LLP | 515 |
104 | ROSSI KIMMS & MCDOWELL LLP | 510 |
105 | YEE & ASSOCIATES PC | 509 |
106 | ROBERTS MLOTKOWSKI SAFRAN & COLE PC | 505 |
107 | WESTMAN CHAMPLIN & KOEHLER PA | 505 |
108 | NORTON ROSE FULBRIGHT LLP | 505 |
109 | KLARQUIST SPARKMAN LLP | 502 |
110 | ROSENBERG KLEIN & LEE | 494 |
111 | DUANE MORRIS LLP | 494 |
112 | WOOD HERRON & EVANS LLP | 491 |
113 | COOLEY LLP | 488 |
114 | JEFFERSON IP LAW LLP | 487 |
115 | HARRINGTON & SMITH LLP | 483 |
116 | ROTHWELL FIGG ERNST & MANBECK PC | 479 |
117 | THE FARRELL LAW FIRM PC | 479 |
118 | LEE & HAYES PLLC | 476 |
119 | ZILKA KOTAB PC | 474 |
120 | HEWLETT PACKARD PATENT DEPARTMENT | 465 |
121 | WOMBLE CARLYLE SANDRIDGE & RICE PLLC | 464 |
122 | HESLIN ROTHENBERG FARLEY & MESITI PC | 459 |
123 | ROBINSON INELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAW OFFICE PC | 454 |
124 | SCHMEISER OLSEN & WATTS | 453 |
125 | EDELL SHAPIRO & FINNAN LLC | 452 |
126 | ALLEN DYER DOPPELT MILBRATH & GILCHRIST PA | 451 |
127 | HANLEY FLIGHT & ZIMMERMAN LLC | 450 |
128 | MCANDREWS HELD & MALLOY LTD | 450 |
129 | LUCAS & MERCANTI LLP | 446 |
130 | WILSON SONSINI GOODRICH & ROSATI | 441 |
131 | KED & ASSOCIATES LLP | 440 |
132 | MAGINOT MOORE & BECK LLP | 440 |
133 | FUJITSU PATENT CENTER | 440 |
134 | TRASKBRITT PC | 427 |
135 | FITCH EVEN TABIN & FLANNERY | 427 |
136 | COOPER & DUNHAM LLP | 426 |
137 | GARLICK & MARKISON | 424 |
138 | QUARLES & BRADY LLP | 424 |
139 | ARMSTRONG TEASDALE LLP | 423 |
140 | IP & T GROUP LLP | 422 |
141 | GREER BURNS & CRAIN LTD | 421 |
142 | JONES DAY | 421 |
143 | F CHAU & ASSOCIATES | 421 |
144 | MCCARTER & ENGLISH LLP | 417 |
145 | SALIWANCHIK LLOYD & EISENSCHENK | 416 |
146 | COATS & BENNETT PLLC | 416 |
147 | OSTROLENK FABER LLP | 415 |
148 | HUSCH BLACKWELL LLP | 408 |
149 | DICKINSON WRIGHT PLLC | 407 |
150 | NELSON MULLINS RILEY & SCARBOROUGH LLP | 406 |
151 | MASCHOFF BRENNAN | 404 |
152 | VENABLE LLP | 403 |
153 | HC PARK & ASSOCIATES PLC | 403 |
154 | MATTINGLY & MALUR PC | 402 |
155 | TROP PRUNER & HU PC | 392 |
156 | WILLIAM PARK & ASSOCIATES LTD | 390 |
157 | MURPHY BILAK & HOMILLER PLLC | 379 |
158 | VAN PELT YI & JAMES LLP | 378 |
159 | PARK VAUGHAN FLEMING & DOWLER LLP | 376 |
160 | PIONEER HI BRED INTL | 371 |
161 | WITHROW & TERRANOVA PLLC | 366 |
162 | PROCOPIO CORY HARGREAVES & SAVITCH LLP | 362 |
163 | COZEN OCONNOR PC | 362 |
164 | QUINN LAW GROUP PLLC | 361 |
165 | THOMAS HORSTEMEYER LLP | 360 |
166 | TROUTMAN SANDERS LLP | 353 |
167 | DINSMORE & SHOHL LLP | 349 |
168 | ROPES & GRAY LLP | 347 |
169 | TAROLLI SUNDHEIM COVELL & TUMMINO LLP | 347 |
170 | SUTHERLAND ASBILL & BRENNAN LLP | 346 |
171 | LATHROP & GAGE LLP | 346 |
172 | RYAN MASON & LEWIS LLP | 345 |
173 | GIFFORD KRASS GROH SPRINKLE ANDERSON & CITKOWSKI | 344 |
174 | CARTER DELUCA FARRELL & SCHMIDT LLP | 344 |
175 | POSZ LAW GROUP PLC | 343 |
176 | ESCHWEILER & ASSOCIATES LLC | 336 |
177 | FOX ROTHSCHILD LLP | 334 |
178 | PANITCH SCHWARZE BELISARIO & NADEL LLP | 333 |
179 | DITTHAVONG & STEINER PC | 333 |
180 | NEAL GERBER & EISENBERG LLP | 330 |
181 | FLEIT GIBBONS GUTMAN BONGINI & BIANCO PL | 327 |
182 | KING & SPALDING LLP | 325 |
183 | WEAVER AUSTIN VILLENEUVE & SAMPSON LLP | 324 |
184 | CHRISTENSEN OCONNOR JOHNSON KINDNESS PLLC | 324 |
185 | IPUSA PLLC | 319 |
186 | FROMMER LAWRENCE & HAUG LLP | 315 |
187 | BOZICEVIC FIELD & FRANCIS LLP | 313 |
188 | PATENT CAPITAL GROUP | 312 |
189 | HICKMAN PALERMO BECKER BINGHAM LLC | 311 |
190 | HAMILTON BROOK SMITH & REYNOLDS | 310 |
191 | DICKSTIEN SHAPIRO LLP | 310 |
192 | GE GLOBAL PATENT OPERATION | 305 |
193 | BURR & BROWN | 302 |
194 | WILMER CUTLER PICKERING HALE & DORR LLP | 302 |
195 | BLANK ROME LLP | 302 |
196 | PRICE HENEVELD LLP | 301 |
197 | COWAN LIEBOWITZ & LATMAN PC | 301 |
198 | SEAGER TUFTE & WICKHEM LLC | 298 |
199 | PEARL COHEN ZEDEK LATZER LLP | 298 |
200 | HOFFMANN & BARON LLP | 296 |
201 | ALG INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LLC | 296 |
202 | MOORE & VAN ALLEN PLLC | 295 |
203 | MILLEN WHITE ZELANO & BRANIGAN PC | 294 |
204 | HOFFMAN WARNICK LLC | 291 |
205 | LANDO & ANASTASI LLP | 289 |
206 | SNELL & WILMER LLP | 287 |
207 | CKC & PARTNERS CO | 285 |
208 | COLLARD & ROE PC | 283 |
209 | GUNTIN & GUST PLC | 282 |
210 | HAUPTMAN HAM LLP | 282 |
211 | KINNEY & LANGE PA | 280 |
212 | MARBURY LAW GROUP PLLC | 280 |
213 | LOWE GRAHAM JONES PLLC | 276 |
214 | JENKINS WILSON TAYLOR & HUNT PA | 274 |
215 | TOLER LAW GROUP | 271 |
216 | MILLER MATTHIAS & HULL | 266 |
217 | MACMILLAN SOBANSKI & TODD LLC | 266 |
218 | TUTUMJIAN & BITETTO PC | 264 |
219 | MORI & WARD LLP | 263 |
220 | REISING ETHINGON PC | 262 |
221 | HARRITY & HARRITY LLP | 262 |
222 | TREYZ LAW GROUP | 262 |
223 | SHEPPARD MULLIN RICHTER & HAMPTON LLP | 261 |
224 | SCHWABE WILLIAMSON & WYATT PC | 261 |
225 | KACVINSKY DAISAK BLUNI PLLC | 260 |
226 | HOWARD & HOWARD | 258 |
227 | KIRTON & MCCONKIE | 258 |
228 | BOYLE FREDRICKSON SC | 258 |
229 | NATH GOLDBERG & MEYER | 257 |
230 | THORPE NORTH & WESTERN | 256 |
231 | WINSTEAD PC | 256 |
232 | PATTERSON THUENTE CHRISTENSEN PEDERSEN PA | 254 |
233 | SWANSON & BRATSCHUN LLC | 251 |
234 | BROOKS CAMERON & HUEBSCH PLLC | 251 |
235 | INNOVATION COUNSEL LLP | 249 |
236 | YOUNG BASILE HANLON & MACFALANE PC | 248 |
237 | GARDERE WYNNE SEWELL LLP | 248 |
238 | LEMPIA SUMMERFIELD KATZ LLC | 245 |
239 | KAMRATH IP LAWFIRM PA | 242 |
240 | NUTTER MCCLENNEN & FISH LLP | 239 |
241 | VISTA IP LAW GROUP LLP | 239 |
242 | VOLENTINE FRANCOS & WHITT PLLC | 238 |
243 | LI & CAI INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY USA OFFICE | 237 |
244 | HOLLAND & HART LLP | 236 |
245 | BRACEWELL & GIULIANI LLP | 236 |
246 | STOEL RIVES LLP | 234 |
247 | CESARI & MCKENNA LLP | 232 |
248 | DICKE BILLIG & CZAJA PLLC | 231 |
249 | ANDRUS INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAW LLP | 231 |
250 | HONIGMAN MILLER SCHWARTZ & COHN | 229 |
251 | CARRIER BLACKMAN & ASSOCIATES PC | 229 |
252 | BROWDY & NEIMARK | 227 |
253 | DELIZIO LAW PLLC | 226 |
254 | KUNZLER LAW GROUP PC | 226 |
255 | VIERRA MAGEN MARCUS LLP | 225 |
256 | MARSH FISCHMANN & BREYFOGLE LLP | 224 |
257 | DAVIS WRIGHT TREMAINE LLP | 224 |
258 | SUNSTEIN KANN MURPHY & TIMBERS LLP | 222 |
259 | KONRAD RAYNES DAVDA & VICTOR LLP | 220 |
260 | ABEL LAW GROUP LLP | 218 |
261 | GRIFFITHS & SEATON PLLC | 217 |
262 | PATENT PORTFOLIO BUILDERS PLLC | 217 |
263 | LECLAIRRYAN | 215 |
264 | OHLANDT GREELEY RUGGIERO & PERLE LLP | 212 |
265 | KRATZ QUINTOS & HANSON LLP | 212 |
266 | POLSINELLI PC | 210 |
267 | ADDITION HIGGINS & PENDLETON PA | 210 |
268 | DAVIS & BUJOLD PLLC | 209 |
269 | MARGER JOHNSON & MCCOLLOM PC | 208 |
270 | GOODWIN PROCTER LLP | 207 |
271 | FISHMAN STEWART PLLC | 205 |
272 | ST ONGE STEWARD JOHNSTON & REENS LLC | 203 |
273 | MARTINE & PENILLA LLP | 201 |
274 | HAYNES BEFFEL & WOLFELD LLP | 198 |
275 | REINHART BOERNER VAN DEUREN PC | 197 |
276 | CHA & REITER LLC | 197 |
277 | SHOOK HARDY & BACON | 197 |
278 | HAMILTON DESANCTIS & CHA LLP | 195 |
279 | CRGO LAW | 195 |
280 | MH2 TECH LAW GROUP LLP | 193 |
281 | DALY CROWLEY MOFFORD & DURKEE LLP | 192 |
282 | STITES & HARBISON PLLC | 191 |
283 | HOLLAND & KNIGHT LLP | 190 |
284 | DAVIDSON DAVIDSON & KAPPEL LLC | 190 |
285 | HOVEY WILLIAMS LLP | 187 |
286 | BRAKE HUGHES BELLERMANN LLP | 187 |
287 | BALLARD SPAHR LLP | 185 |
288 | ANOVA LAW GROUP PLLC | 183 |
289 | BRUNDIDGE & STANGER PC | 183 |
290 | AMERSON LAW FIRM PLLC | 183 |
291 | SUITER SWANTZ PC LLO | 182 |
292 | CHEN YOSHIMURA LLP | 181 |
293 | LEXYOUME IP MEISTER PLLC | 179 |
294 | SONY CORP | 179 |
295 | SMITH GAMBRELL & RUSSELL LLP | 177 |
296 | SCHIFF HARDIN LLP | 176 |
297 | WHITHAM CURTIS & CHRISTOFFERSON & COOK PC | 175 |
298 | PEPPER HAMILTON LLP | 173 |
299 | MORRIS MANNING & MARTIN LLP | 172 |
300 | HOLLINGSWORTH DAVIS LLC | 171 |
301 | LEASON ELLIS LLP | 171 |
302 | FOGG & POWERS LLC | 171 |
303 | THOMPSON HINE LLP | 170 |
304 | PERREAULT & PFLEGER PLLC | 169 |
305 | KATTEN MUCHIN ROSENMAN LLP | 168 |
306 | RADAR FISHMAN & GRAUER PLLC | 168 |
307 | ABELMAN FRAYNE & SCHWAB | 168 |
308 | FARJAMI & FARJAMI LLP | 167 |
309 | MUETING RAASCH & GEBHARDT & SCHWAPPACH PA | 166 |
310 | MOTS LAW PLLC | 166 |
311 | FISH & TSANG LLP | 165 |
312 | MCKEE VOORHEES & SEASE | 164 |
313 | OCCHIUTI & ROHLICEK LLP | 164 |
314 | KENNEDY LENART SPRAGGINS LLP | 163 |
315 | MCCORMICK PAULDING & HUBER LLP | 163 |
316 | FRASER CLEMENS MARTIN & MILLER LLC | 163 |
317 | HAHN LOESER & PARKS LLP | 161 |
318 | BAINWOOD HUANG & ASSOCIATES LLC | 161 |
319 | SKF USA INC | 160 |
320 | ROYLANCE ABRAMS BERDO & GOODMAN LLP | 159 |
321 | JACOBSON HOLMAN PLLC | 159 |
322 | HOGAN LOVELLS LLP | 158 |
323 | MORRIS & KAMLAY LLP | 158 |
324 | WEBSTER & ELLIOT LLP | 158 |
325 | HAVERSTOCK & OWENS LLP | 158 |
326 | MEUNIER CARLIN & CURFMAN LLC | 156 |
327 | SENNIGER POWERS LLP | 156 |
328 | ADELI LLP | 156 |
329 | JORDAN IP LAW LLC | 155 |
330 | CALFEE HALTER & B GRISWOLD LLP | 155 |
331 | KLEIN ONEILL & SINGH LLP | 154 |
332 | OPPEDAHL PATENT LAW FIRM LLC | 153 |
333 | BURNS & LEVINSON LLP | 153 |
334 | GIBB & RILEY LLC | 152 |
335 | FROST BROWN TODD LLC | 152 |
336 | HAYES SOLOWAY PC | 151 |
337 | JORDAN & HAMBURG LLP | 151 |
338 | DUFT BORNSEN & FETTIG LLP | 149 |
339 | HUNTON & WILLIAMS LLP | 148 |
340 | CHRISTOPHER & WEISBERG PA | 148 |
341 | BEYER LAW GROUP LLP | 147 |
342 | BAKER & MCKENZIE LLP | 147 |
343 | PATENT LAW WORKS LLP | 146 |
344 | BERESKIN & PARR LLP | 146 |
345 | RENNER KENNER GREIVE BOBAK TAYLOR & WEBER | 146 |
346 | SORELL LENNA & SCHMIDT LLP | 145 |
347 | HALL ESTILL ATTORNEY AT LAW | 145 |
348 | JACKSON WALKER LLP | 144 |
349 | PLUMSEA LAW GROUP LLC | 144 |
350 | COOPER LEGAL GROUP LLC | 144 |
351 | JC PATENTS | 143 |
352 | MAHAMEDI PARADICE LLP | 143 |
353 | MYERS WOLIN LLC | 143 |
354 | SERVILLA WHITNEY LLC | 143 |
355 | CHOATE HALL & STEWART LLP | 143 |
356 | WOOD PHILLIPS KATZ CLARK & MORTIMER | 143 |
357 | DOWNEY BRAND LLP | 142 |
358 | HAZUKI INT LLC | 142 |
359 | WOODARD EMHARDT MORIARTY MCNETT & HENRY | 142 |
360 | ANTONELLI TERRY STOUT & KRAUS LLP | 142 |
361 | SMITH RISLEY TEMPEL SANTOS LLC | 140 |
362 | STEIN IP LLC | 140 |
363 | STEINFL & BRUNO LLP | 140 |
364 | STETINA BRUNDA GARRED & BRUCKER | 140 |
365 | TAFT STETTINIUS & HOLLISTER LLP | 140 |
366 | ECKERT SEAMANS CHERIN & MELLOTT LLC | 140 |
367 | BRYAN CAVE LLP | 139 |
368 | BOOKOFF MCANDREWS PLLC | 139 |
369 | CLARK & ELBING LLP | 138 |
370 | CUENOT FORSYTHE & KIM LLC | 138 |
371 | MOSER TABOADA | 138 |
372 | VEDDAR PRICE PC | 138 |
373 | CARSTENS & CAHOON LLP | 137 |
374 | FOLEY HOAG LLPP | 136 |
375 | KPPB LLP | 135 |
376 | FAY KAPLUN & MARCIN LLP | 135 |
377 | LOZA & LOZA LLP | 135 |
378 | TERRILE CANNATTI CHAMBERS & HOLLAND LLP | 134 |
379 | BACHMAN & LAPOINTE PC | 134 |
380 | MCGLEW & TUTTLE | 133 |
381 | GARDNER LINN BURKHART & FLORY LLP | 132 |
382 | FOUNTAINHEAD LAW GROUP PC | 132 |
383 | KEOHANE & DALESSANDRO PLLC | 131 |
384 | BOND SCHOENECK & KING PLLC | 130 |
385 | ONELLO & MELLO LLP | 130 |
386 | ARTEGIS LAW GROUP LLP | 130 |
387 | US NAVAL RES LABORATORY | 130 |
388 | GENERAL ELECTRIC CO | 129 |
389 | CARR & FERRELL LLP | 129 |
390 | DYKEMA GOSSETT PLLC | 128 |
391 | NORRIS MCLAUGHLIN & MARCUS PA | 127 |
392 | AMSTER ROTHSTEIN & EBENSTEIN LLP | 127 |
393 | SEYFARTH SHAW LLP | 127 |
394 | MCNEES WALLACE & NURICK LLC | 126 |
395 | SLAYDEN GRUBERT BEARD PLLC | 126 |
396 | LEWIS ROCA ROTHGERBER LLP | 126 |
397 | SHAY GLENN LLP | 125 |
398 | SINORICA LLC | 125 |
399 | TUCKER ELLIS LLP | 125 |
400 | SAUL EWING LLP | 125 |
401 | CAESAR RIVISE BERNSTEIN COHEN & POKOTILOW LTD | 122 |
402 | WARNER NORCROSS & JUDD LLP | 122 |
403 | ANDREWS & KURTH LLP | 122 |
404 | FLYNN THIEL BOUTELL & TANIS PC | 121 |
405 | WOLFE SBMC | 121 |
406 | BUCKLEY MASCHOFF & TALWALKAR LLC | 121 |
407 | HARTMAN & CITRIN LLC | 120 |
408 | KENEALY VAIDYA LLP | 120 |
409 | BROWNSTEIN HYATT FARBER SCHRECK LLP | 120 |
410 | MANNAVA & KANG | 119 |
411 | VAN COTT BAGLEY CONWALL & MCCARTHY | 119 |
412 | EDWARDS WILDMAN PALMER LLP | 117 |
413 | KRIEG DEVAULT LLP | 116 |
414 | OCONNOR COZEN | 116 |
415 | PERRY & CURRIER INC | 116 |
416 | SHERR & JIANG PLLC | 116 |
417 | WHITE & CASE LLP | 116 |
418 | FREDRIKSON & BYRON PA | 115 |
419 | STRAUB & POKOTYLO | 115 |
420 | WONG CABELLO LUTSCH RUTHERFORD & BRUCCULERI | 115 |
421 | DANN DORFMAN HERRELL & SKILLMAN | 115 |
422 | NOVICK KIM & LEE PLLC | 114 |
423 | SMALL PATENT LAW GROUP | 114 |
424 | CLARK & BRODY | 114 |
425 | FERENCE & ASSOCIATES LLC | 113 |
426 | FINCH & MALONEY PLLC | 113 |
427 | PARKER HIGHLANDER PLLC | 113 |
428 | CHAPIN IP LAW LLC | 113 |
429 | MUIRHEAD & SATURNELLI LLC | 111 |
430 | PARKS WOOD LLC | 111 |
431 | ADAMS & WILKS | 111 |
432 | KILE PARK REED & HOUTTEMAN | 110 |
433 | THE DOBRUSIN LAW FIRM PC | 110 |
434 | IMPERIUM PATENT WORKS | 110 |
435 | HODGSON RUSS LLP | 109 |
436 | JACKSON IPG PLLC | 109 |
437 | KOPPEL PATRICK HEYBL & PHILPOTT | 109 |
438 | MUIR PATENT CONSULTING PLLC | 109 |
439 | PRASS LLP | 109 |
440 | CLEMENTS BERNARD PLLC | 109 |
441 | INT IP LAW GROUP | 108 |
442 | SAILE ACKERMAN LLC | 108 |
443 | AKERMAN LLP | 108 |
444 | SIMPSON & SIMPSON PLLC | 108 |
445 | RUTAN & TUCKER LLP | 107 |
446 | CONDO ROCCIA KOPTIW LLP | 107 |
447 | PROSKAUER ROSE LLP | 106 |
448 | BORDEN LADNER GERVAIS LLP | 106 |
449 | SCHOLL MATTHIAS | 105 |
450 | ADE & CO INC | 105 |
451 | STEPTOE & JOHNSON LLP | 104 |
452 | MOSSMAN KUMAR & TYLER PC | 104 |
453 | KAGAN BINDER PLLC | 103 |
454 | KAPLAN BREYER SCHWARZ & OTTESEN LLP | 103 |
455 | SHIMOKAJI & ASSOCIATES PC | 103 |
456 | ADVENT LLP | 103 |
457 | CAMPBELL STEPHENSON LLP | 102 |
458 | THOMPSON COBURN LLP | 101 |
459 | BROWN RUDNICK LLP | 101 |
460 | WINSTON & STRAWN LLP | 101 |
461 | KUSNER & JAFFE | 100 |
462 | LUEDEKA NEELY GROUP PC | 100 |
463 | AUSTIN RAPP & HARDMAN | 100 |
464 | NIELDS LEMACK & FRAME LLC | 99 |
465 | DERGOSITS & NOAH LLP | 99 |
466 | STANDLEY LAW GROUP LLP | 99 |
467 | BOOTH UDALL FULLER PLC | 97 |
468 | KOLISCH HARTWELL P C | 97 |
469 | PARKER IBRAHIM & BERG LLC | 97 |
470 | BEUSSE WOLTER SANKS & MAIRE PA | 97 |
471 | ISHIMARU & ASSOCIATES LLP | 96 |
472 | OKAMOTO & BENEDICTO LLP | 96 |
473 | OSHEA GETZ PC | 96 |
474 | CERMAK NAKAJIMA LLP | 96 |
475 | PATTERSON INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAW | 95 |
476 | ATKINS & ASSOCIATES PC | 95 |
477 | WRB IP LLC | 95 |
478 | CHRISTENSEN FONDER PA | 94 |
479 | VORYS SATER SEYMOUR & PEASE LLP | 94 |
480 | WHYTE HIRSCHBOECK DUDEK SC | 94 |
481 | BEJIN BIENEMAN PLC | 94 |
482 | DIEDERIKS & WHITELAW PLC | 92 |
483 | DILWORTH & BARRESE LLP | 92 |
484 | EGBERT LAW OFFICES | 92 |
485 | NIKOLAI & MERSEREAU PA | 92 |
486 | RUSSELL NG PLLC | 92 |
487 | BUSKOP LAW GROUP PC | 92 |
488 | HOWARD IP LAW GROUP PC | 90 |
489 | LARSON NEWMAN LLP | 90 |
490 | FULWIDER PATTON LLP | 90 |
491 | GATES & COOPER LLP | 89 |
492 | GAZDZINSKI & ASSOCIATES PC | 89 |
493 | GORDON & JACOBSON PC | 89 |
494 | SHUTTLEWORTH & INGERSOLL PLC | 89 |
495 | D KLIGLER IP SERVICES LTD | 89 |
496 | SILICON VALLEY PATENT GROUP LLP | 89 |
497 | MCHALE & SLAVIN PA | 88 |
498 | MONTGOMERY PATENT & DESIGN LP | 88 |
499 | STOLOWITZ FORD COWGER LLP | 88 |
500 | DAVID & RAYMOND PATENT FIRM | 88 |
501 | ZIOLKOWSKI PATENT SOLUTIONS GROUP | 88 |
502 | KWAN & OLYNICK LLP | 87 |
503 | PLAGER SCHACK LLP | 87 |
504 | WALL & TONG LLC | 87 |
505 | BYRNE POH LLP | 87 |
506 | HDLS IPR SERVICES | 86 |
507 | HOLZERIPLAW PC | 86 |
508 | HOWISON & ARNOTT LLP | 86 |
509 | MILLER IP GROUP PLC | 86 |
510 | SMITH & HOPEN PA | 86 |
511 | YUDELL ISIDORE PLLC | 86 |
512 | CRAWFORD MAUNU PLLC | 86 |
513 | SAWYER LAW GROUP LLP | 85 |
514 | TURK IP LAW LLC | 85 |
515 | SAND & SEBOLT | 85 |
516 | KRAMER & AMADO PC | 84 |
517 | HOWSON & HOWSON | 83 |
518 | RIDOUT & MAYBEE LLP | 83 |
519 | BERKELEY LAW & TECH GROUP LLP | 83 |
520 | MENDELSOHN DRUCKER & ASSOCIATES PC | 82 |
521 | MIDDLETON & REUTLINGER | 82 |
522 | KILYK & BOWERSOX PLLC | 82 |
523 | GOWLING LAFLEUR HENDERSON LLP | 81 |
524 | REVOLUTION IP PLLC | 81 |
525 | ASCENDA LAW GROUP PC | 81 |
526 | STROOCK & STROOCK & LAVAN LLP | 81 |
527 | CROSSLEY PATENT LAW | 80 |
528 | PANASONIC PATENT CENTER | 80 |
529 | POLSTER LIEDER | 80 |
530 | SPRINKLE IP LAW GROUP | 80 |
531 | VIDAS ARRETT & STEINKRAUS | 80 |
532 | COOK ALEX LTD | 80 |
533 | GRIFFIN & SZIPL PC | 79 |
534 | SOCAL IP LAW GROUP LLP | 79 |
535 | CHERNOFF VILHAUER | 79 |
536 | LAW OFFICE OF JIM BOICE | 78 |
537 | LRK PATENT LAW FIRM | 78 |
538 | MARTIN & ASSOCIATES LLC | 78 |
539 | PABST PATENT GROUP LLP | 78 |
540 | EXXONMOBIL UPSTREAM RES CO LAW DEPARTMENT | 78 |
541 | GARVEY SMITH NEHRBASS & NORTH LLC | 77 |
542 | LEVINE BAGADE HAN LLP | 77 |
543 | DUNLAP CODDING LLP | 77 |
544 | EIP LLP | 76 |
545 | MAIER & MAIER PLLC | 76 |
546 | EDWARD NEILS PLLC | 76 |
547 | GTC LAW GROUP LLP & AFFILIATES | 75 |
548 | JDI PATENT | 75 |
549 | PANDISCIO & PANDISCIO | 75 |
550 | CROCKETT & CROCKETT | 75 |
551 | PARSONS BEHLE & LATIMER | 74 |
552 | LING & YANG INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY | 74 |
553 | SHERMAN IP LLP | 74 |
554 | MAINE CERNOTA & RARDIN | 73 |
555 | PARATUS LAW GROUP PLLC | 73 |
556 | WHITMYER IP GROUP LLC | 73 |
557 | ANDERSON GORECKI & ROUILLE LLP | 73 |
558 | BROOKSGROUP | 72 |
559 | REED SMITH LLP | 72 |
560 | WONG & REES LLP | 72 |
561 | BAYRAMOGLU GOKALP | 72 |
562 | MANELLI SELTER PLLC | 71 |
563 | KING & SCHICKLI PLLC | 71 |
564 | FULBRIGHT & JAWORSKI LLP | 70 |
565 | LEE LAW PLLC | 70 |
566 | LIU & LIU | 70 |
567 | PATENTS ON DEMAND PA | 70 |
568 | BERENATO & WHITE LLC | 70 |
569 | STOUT UXA BUYAN & MULLINS LLP | 70 |
570 | VANLEEUWEN & VANLEEUWEN | 70 |
571 | WANG LAW FIRM INC | 70 |
572 | CESARI & REED LLP | 69 |
573 | FIALA & WEAVER PLLC | 69 |
574 | NOVEL IP | 69 |
575 | CENTRAL CALIFORNIA IP GROUP | 69 |
576 | GARDNER GROFF GREENWALD & VILLANUEVA PC | 68 |
577 | GRAYROBINSON PA | 68 |
578 | KRAMER LEVIN NAFTALIS & FRANKEL LLP | 68 |
579 | RENAISSANCE IP LAW GROUP LLP | 68 |
580 | CHRISTOPHER MAIORANA P P C | 68 |
581 | REMARCK LAW GROUP PLC | 67 |
582 | DELIO & PETERSON LLC | 66 |
583 | LAW OFFICE OF KATSUHIRO ARAI | 66 |
584 | SCHEINBERG & ASSOCIATES PC | 66 |
585 | CHALKER FLORES LLP | 66 |
586 | TAYLOR ENGLISH DUMA LLP | 66 |
587 | VIKSNINS HARRIS & PADYS PLLP | 66 |
588 | GIBSON & DERNIER LLP | 65 |
589 | HUAWEI DEVICE CO | 65 |
590 | COCHRAN FREUND & YOUNG LLC | 65 |
591 | ALPINE TECH LAW GROUP LLC | 64 |
592 | HORIZON IP PTE LTD | 64 |
593 | MKG LLC | 64 |
594 | AKA CHAN LLP | 64 |
595 | MOFFAT & CO | 64 |
596 | OSTOLENK FABER LLP | 64 |
597 | PATENT LAW GROUP LLP | 64 |
598 | DRIGGS HOGG DAUGHERTY & DEL ZOPPO CO LPA | 63 |
599 | MARSHALL & MELHORN LLC | 63 |
600 | SOFER & HAROUN LLP | 63 |
601 | BARLOW JOSEPHS & HOLMES LTD | 63 |
602 | TUNG & ASSOCIATES | 63 |
603 | EGAN PETERMAN & ENDERS LLP | 62 |
604 | GOTTLIEB RACKMAN & REISMAN PC | 62 |
605 | IPXLAW GROUP LLP | 62 |
606 | SNYDER CLARK LESCH & CHUNG LLP | 62 |
607 | WARE FRESSOLA MAGUIRE & BARBER LLP | 62 |
608 | CHIESA SHAHINIAN & GIANTOMASI PC | 62 |
609 | GARG LAW FIRM PLLC | 61 |
610 | CURATOLO SIDOTI CO LPA; | 61 |
611 | LACKENBACH SIEGEL LLP | 60 |
612 | CHAMBERLAIN HRDLICKA | 60 |
613 | NEUGEBOREN ODOWD PC | 60 |
614 | SHUMAKER LOOP & KENDRICK | 60 |
615 | MITCH HARRIS ATTY AT LAW LLC | 59 |
616 | NOTARO & MICHALOS PC | 59 |
617 | THE BELLES GROUP PC | 59 |
618 | DASCENZO INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY LAW PA | 59 |
619 | DIERKER & ASSOCIATES PC | 58 |
620 | ELMORE PATENT LAW GROUP PC | 58 |
621 | KLINTWORTH & ROZENBLAT IP LLC | 58 |
622 | OGAWA PC | 58 |
623 | OTTERSTEDT ELLENBOGEN & KAMMER LLP | 58 |
624 | PORTER WRIGHT MORRIS & ARTHUR LLP | 58 |
625 | BROWN & MICHAELS PC | 58 |
626 | NK PATENT LAW | 57 |
627 | PAULY DEVRIES SMITH & DEFFNER | 57 |
628 | PERMAN & GREEN LLP | 57 |
629 | WINTHROP & WEINSTINE PA | 57 |
630 | JOHNSON MARCOU & ISAACS LLC | 57 |
631 | BEVER HOFFMAN & HARMS LLP | 56 |
632 | JACOX MECKSTROTH & JENKINS | 56 |
633 | JANSSON MUNGER MCKINLEY & KIRBY LTD | 56 |
634 | LAW OFFICE OF MICHAEL CHEN | 56 |
635 | ARNOLD & PORTER LLP | 56 |
636 | IPRO INC | 55 |
637 | KIMBERLY CLARK WORLDWIDE INC | 55 |
638 | RIVERSIDE LAW LLP | 55 |
639 | CAHN & SAMUELS LLP | 55 |
640 | COLOPLAST CORP COLOPLAST AS | 54 |
641 | DIGIMARC CORP | 54 |
642 | HEAD JOHNSON & KACHIGIAN | 54 |
643 | STEVENS & SHOWALTER LLP | 54 |
644 | ALIX YALE & RISTA LLP | 54 |
645 | THE MUELLER LAW OFFICE PC | 54 |
646 | TILLMAN WRIGHT PLLC | 54 |
647 | CHENG LAW GROUP PLLC | 53 |
648 | HUDAK SHUNK & FARINE CO LPA | 53 |
649 | LAW OFFICE OF MICHAEL E KONDOUDIS | 53 |
650 | LIEBERMAN & BRANDSDORFER LLC | 53 |
651 | BRADLEY ARANT BOULT CUMMINGS LLP | 53 |
652 | KLAUBER & JACKSON | 52 |
653 | PATENT CENTRAL LLC | 52 |
654 | HUNTER CLARK PLLC | 52 |
655 | RG PATENT CONSULTING LLC | 52 |
656 | STRADLEY RONON STEVENS & YOUNG LLP | 52 |
657 | WIDERMAN MALEK PL | 52 |
658 | GUICE PATENTS PLLC | 51 |
659 | HUFFMAN LAW GROUP P C | 51 |
660 | LEVENFELD PEARLSTEIN LLC | 51 |
661 | LUMEN PATENT FIRM | 51 |
662 | MAYER & WILLIAMS PC | 51 |
663 | MCGARRY BAIR LLP | 51 |
664 | PORZIO BROMBERG & NEWMAN PC | 51 |
665 | ROWAND LLP | 51 |
666 | TUMEY LLP | 51 |
667 | WEIDE & MILLER LTD | 51 |
668 | BIGGERS KENNEDY LENART SPRAGGINS LLP | 51 |
669 | KUBOTERA & ASSOCIATES LLC | 50 |
670 | SCHACHT LAW OFFICE INC | 50 |
671 | SKAAR ULBRICH MACARI PA | 50 |
672 | ULMER & BERNE LLP | 50 |
673 | ZIEGLER IP LAW GROUP | 50 |
674 | DUGAN & DUGAN PC | 50 |
*** UPDATE: As of July 1, 2015, #29 Dentons LLP (with 1,199 patents) merged with # 102 McKenna Long & Aldridge LLP (with 533 patents). When combining these two together, their total is 1,732 patents, ultimately placing them in 17th place, just ahead of Cannon USA Inc IP Division.
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18 comments so far.
FRANK LUKASIK
August 15, 2016 09:17 amHere is what I believe is the first computer program
Patent: 3,374,486 Issued March 18, 1968. It’s the first application I ever filed.
Gene Quinn
July 30, 2016 06:41 pmTJM-
I don’t think the numbers are inflated with design patents. For the firm I’m associated with at least the number was correct and represented only utility patents, not design patents.
Some of the firms at the top of the list do have a lot of foreign prosecution business, and that would inflate numbers compared to those firms that do not have much, if any, foreign prosecution work.
-Gene
TJM
July 30, 2016 03:11 pmOther comments have mentioned this, but I would like to see the numbers differentiate between utility/design/plant patents, and also differentiate how many patents have US priority vs. foreign priority. I think the numbers are likely inflated by design patents (which are often simply rubber stamped) and by those that simply file and prosecute 371 applications for foreign clients/firms. For 371 apps, the US firm is typically providing guidance but not doing the heavy lifting.
I also agree with identifying the number of practitioners in each firm with a registration number.
Someone mentioned including some type of ROI metric. Obviously, this would be great, but it is obscured by many other factors that are outside of attorney/agent control.
Anon
July 30, 2016 09:24 amClinton,
You whine too much.
This list is NOT as you portray (“when their firm appears on a list which purports to imply the firm became a top performer on the basis of the best and brightest working for the firm“).
This list tells you that: “which are ranked based on the total number of U.S. utility patents that issued in 2015.”
Night Writer
July 29, 2016 09:08 amIt would be interesting to see how many of those applications were written by the firm as opposed to filling a foreign application in the US.
(I have worked for 3 of the top 30.) You can fix-up and file a foreign app in a day. Plus some firms get large numbers of filed cases transferred to them.
I haven’t worked for Fish & Richardson, but since they are a quality firm with huge numbers, it would be interesting to see a break-down for where their patents came from.
Fred Furrer
July 29, 2016 03:38 amI think it would be useful to know the subject of the majority of patents obtained by each firm. In other words, what fields do these firms specialize in? I personally think it is very important for the firm to be matched to the subject matter of the patent application in order for a proper prosecution of the application to be done.
Lawrence S. Cohen
July 28, 2016 07:58 pmLook, the list isn’t some kind of wonder-book. Its just a list. Its use is a bit of amusing interest. And, those on the list can take pride in being published and a bit of promotional effect. That’s why I would like a chance to get on the list. Thus the per capita proposal. It would give us small folks a chance to shine a bit which the formula denies us. Lets not work this so hard, its not some kind of holiness definition.
Gene Quinn
July 28, 2016 07:24 pmClinton-
I never said that the best and brightest do not exist. What I said is if I am going to publish a list the purports to be of the best and brightest, as you suggest, it needs to past muster and be defensible. Best and brightest is quite subjective and the methods I’ve seen used or heard discussed haven’t seemed to me to be solid enough to put my stamp of approval on, at least not yet. No doubt there are ways to investigate a particular lawyer and come to a reasonable opinion, perhaps even an objective opinion within certain broad parameters. But to purport to do that for 40,000 (or so) active patent practitioners is another matter.
In terms of your comment about information about lawyers being kept obscure, I have no idea what you are talking about really. Anyone interested can simply copy the name of the firm and put it into Google and within a matter of seconds the firm website will appear with contact information, etc. It isn’t like these firms are trying to hide from clients interested in their services.
I’m not sure what transparency would be gained by publishing office information. Patent law is just not the type of practice where people ordinarily hire a local attorney. Most clients search out an attorney that works with the technology relating to their invention. I know I’ve never represented a client who lived or worked in the town or county where I’m located. I’ve represented clients from as far away as Australia and New Zealand, and all of the U.S. That is the experience of most patent professionals.
-Gene
Clinton Gallagher @tapABILITIES
July 28, 2016 07:06 pmGene, Gene, Gene,
“…denoting city and state of office wouldn’t be particularly useful and might actually be misleading..” you say? Au contraire as it is often put.
Information about lawyers is kept obscure. If anybody is concerned with mistrust, all of us I contend should ask lawyers for more transparency. Those that agree earn my trust.
Furthermore, the best and brightest do exist and I know this to be true because I have been such a colleague myself and I want to be around them as much as possible; their rising tide floats my boat.
That said I am learning a whole lot of good stuff reading your blog. Thank you.
step back
July 28, 2016 05:23 pmWow.
Have we degenerated to a mere numbers game?
(As stored in an abstract generic computer?)
How many pages per patent? 3, 20 or 100?
How many sheets of drawings?
Where did the patents originate? Here in USA or is the firm a foreign filing mill?
How complex is the subject matter?
And ultimately, what value (ROI) do the claims provide to the client?
Matt
July 28, 2016 05:22 pmAgree with the above comment. It would be interesting to supply a second listing which listed patents per attorney/agent.
Lawrence S. Cohen
July 28, 2016 03:07 pmThe list, the above comment and response help emphasize my comment which starts with, what value is being posted. I’m a solo and my 2015 number of issued patents is 15. That’s 15 per capita. I looked at the firms who scored 50 and although I don’t beat them all on a per attorney/agent count, I would make that list on that basis. I suggest that measuring the success per person, would be a way of comparing how we work and a variable to evaluate productivity (along with a other variables of course), comparing client types (sole inventor vs repeating client), and comparing management style. It can help us learn from our colleagues.
Anyway, keep up the good posting, always informative sometimes challenging.
Curious
July 28, 2016 01:44 pmWhile addressing this issue is probably not worth the trouble, some firms do not have their names put on the front of the patent for some/all clients. Also, some clients have outside counsel prepare the responses and then (if they are big/savvy enough) file it themselves. On the flip side, some firms have foreign clients whose attorneys prepare the responses, and the US firm just files it.
However, the methodology is good enough to separate the wheat from the chaff and identify the 600lb gorillas.
I found a similar list useful a long time ago when I was looking to change locales (and hence firms since my current firm wasn’t in the locale). Turned out, I got a job at one of those 600lb gorilla firms — it was a great experience.
ItCouldBeWorse
July 28, 2016 12:24 pmHow about a list based on issued design patents?
Gene Quinn
July 28, 2016 12:23 pmBen-
Thanks for the suggestion.
Everyone-
Please keep the suggestions coming.
-Gene
Ben Kusiak
July 28, 2016 12:02 pmWhat would be interesting to me is to see a column added for how many attorneys/agents are/were at each firm. It would allow a correlation to be drawn regarding how “productive” or “active” a given firm is.
Gene Quinn
July 28, 2016 10:37 amClinton-
Patent attorneys work with clients all over the world, so denoting city and state of office wouldn’t be particularly useful and might actually be misleading. Many of these firms also have multiple locations across the US and some even outside the US. And getting into the “best and brightest” starts to become a beauty pageant unless it is carefully curated. Something I’m open to doing but have yet to figure out how to meaningfully do it in an honest way.
-Gene
Clinton Gallagher @tapABILITIES
July 28, 2016 10:31 amGreat work but missing the state and city the office was located in where their best and brightest actually work with those they serve but then again I suppose that extra effort was not billable eh? lol